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Contents 1 On game engine names 2 Colour vs Color 3 User list 4 Hazard pages 5 Buying Keen 6 Wiki info 7 Sandbox 8 MediaWiki upgrade 9 Personal images

On game engine names

In the modding tools section of the main page, it is stated: "Other (Keen Dreams, non-Keen engines)", but we are all pretty sure Keen Dreams engine and Keen: Galaxy engine are almost the same! Both share the EGAGRAPH and GAMEMAPS format, and the game engine technology such as goplats (minecart in KDR seems to be one), poles, hanging onto ledges, etc. So, in my opinion, the K: Modding tools classification should be fixed as this needs to be discussed before breaking all existing links. There are already three Keen Dreams modding tools, which are unofficial ModKeen 2.0.1 hack by MultiMania, KDRPatch by MultiMania and TED5 by John Romero. --Shadow Master 17:53, 5 July 2007 (GMT)

The engines are indeed similar, but as far as I'm aware you can't take a Keen 4-6 modding tool (like the original ModKeen for example) and use it unchanged with Keen Dreams. That's why the categories are separate. A Keen4 modding tool will work with Keen5, but not necessarily with Dreams. -- Malvineous 09:29, 10 July 2007 (GMT)

Colour vs Color

Game Boy Colour should, I think be spelt Game Boy Color, in the American spelling. (Or am I just being an ignorant American?) -- CK Guy

I don't know, over here in Australia that's the way it's spelt, but I guess you could argue it was an American invention so it should be spelt its native tongue. My argument is that the wiki generally uses British English, so it should remain as is. -- Malvineous 23:49, 9 February 2007 (GMT)

Game Boy Color is the official name, you should edit it. It is called Game Boy Color everywhere, also in my country (Germany). --Grandy02 16:01, 20 February 2007 (GMT)

C'mon,everybody says change it,unlock the page and change it!--Xterra1 18:24, 4 July 2007 (GMT)

Excuse me? Who is everybody? I'll do it anyway, but not unlock, just edit. I'm not giving anyone the possibility of vandalizing the main page in Malv's absence (till some hours later).--Shadow Master 18:27, 4 July 2007 (GMT)

I thought that you had to unlock the page to edit it.--Xterra1 17:19, 6 July 2007 (GMT)

Sysops can edit protected page without unlocking them if they desire. --Shadow Master 17:52, 6 July 2007 (GMT)

User list

I think there should be a page with a list of all the people in the Keen community, each linking to a page about them. -- Genius314 23:54, 07 June 2007 (GMT)

Try Special:Userlist -- Malvineous 01:27, 8 June 2007 (GMT)

Thanks. I couldn't find that before... On the same topic of user pages, I think there should be some more guidelines for them. Right now, a lot of user's pages are written from the user's POV ("Hi, I'm n,..." etc.), but I think that they should be written more like every other page. --Genius314 21:41, 11 June 2007 (GMT)

That's the real purpose of user pages though, you're supposed to write them yourself in your own style. They wouldn't really suit the article style, as there are people in the Keen community that don't have a user page on the wiki. From a different angle, can you think of any reason why we'd need a specific article about someone? I tend to think most of the content that would end up in there could be put onto other pages instead. -- Malvineous 11:51, 12 June 2007 (GMT)

Hazard pages

Could someone do hazard pages for Keen Dreams, 4, 5,& 6?Thank you kindly.--Xterra1 13:18, 30 June 2007 (GMT)

Could you help to get things started? Just go to the Keen 3 hazards page, click the edit button to bring up the wiki code, then copy it to the clipboard. Go into one of the empty hazard pages, edit that, and paste the code in. Then just change the names and descriptions to reflect some of those found in the other games. Don't worry if you don't know them all, just put a note in saying you're unsure and someone else will come along and fix it (or remove your note if you were actually right!) -- Malvineous 00:05, 1 July 2007 (GMT)

Jeez! My brain isn't enough to handle all that! I can't do templates!--Xterra1 17:39, 3 July 2007 (GMT)

Fair enough, but we'll need a hand coming up with the list of hazards, I can't remember them all off the top of my head :-) -- Malvineous 11:37, 4 July 2007 (GMT)

Nor can I, but I started some stubs for the Keen 4 and 5 hazard pages. Needs pictures and such. Feel free to complete those articles so the stub template can be removed.--Shadow Master 14:39, 4 July 2007 (GMT)

Buying Keen

You know,you can buy Keens 1-5 for only $10 US on idsoftware.com.--Xterra1 16:32, 10 July 2007 (GMT)PS-it allows other currencies

You can get them for $5 through Steam at http://www.steampowered.com/v/index.php?area=app&AppId=9180 (it'd be nice if Keen 6 were made available through Steam as well.) --Leandrotlz 04:28, 2 June 2008 (GMT)

You're kidding! Whoa... I know a place where Keen 6 can be aquired,but I can't post the link cuz it's free. Even Keens 2,3,and 5 are there. It's also got a wealth of games besides Keen. It even has a full version of Keen Dreams. Again,I can't post the link for it.--Xterra1 14:43, 28 July 2008 (GMT)

Wiki info

Hey,when was this wiki started?--Xterra1 00:53, 17 July 2007 (GMT)

It went live some time during the last few days of January 2007. I was "preparing" it before then, getting the basic layout set up, and that began as far back as August 2006. -- Malvineous 09:46, 17 July 2007 (GMT)

Cool,thanks!!!--Xterra1 03:38, 18 July 2007 (GMT)

Is everybody gone?--Xterra1 00:10, 24 July 2007 (GMT)

Sandbox

I would like to propose a sandbox for testing. Hey,a LOT of wikis have sandboxes,why not this one?--Xterra1(talk)(work)(?) 19:25, 11 August 2007 (GMT)

For precisely that reason - most wikis have a Sandbox, why do you need another one? Just use one of the others. If you need to test something that's specific to this wiki, that's what the Preview button is for. -- Malvineous 01:35, 12 August 2007 (GMT)

Hey-new-to-wiki users need a place to test. The Preview button makes no difference.--Xterra1(talk)(work)(?) 02:53, 12 August 2007 (GMT)

Give me one example where the preview button doesn't work and you need to use a sandbox. New-to-wiki users can easily go somewhere else to learn how to use a wiki - we're not here to teach people how wikis work, we're here to document Commander Keen. Adding a sandbox wouldn't bring anything useful to the wiki. -- Malvineous 02:59, 12 August 2007 (GMT)

Oi! A sandbox would be great,Malv,If you comsider testing templates.--Xterra1(talk)(work)(?) 03:08, 12 August 2007 (GMT)

How? The preview button works fine when you're testing templates, that's what it's there for. -- Malvineous 07:11, 12 August 2007 (GMT)

Preview buttons are used to preview edits,not templates.--Xterra1(talk)(work)(?) 13:27, 12 August 2007 (GMT)

And precisely how would a sandbox help you test templates? They have to be made in the Template namespace, so you can't put them in a sandbox anyway. -- Malvineous 21:58, 12 August 2007 (GMT)

If a new template was created by,let's say,Grandy02,he/she might wanna work out the little kinks in said template.Xterra1(talk)(work)(?)

Okay then, let's pretend for a minute that we've got a sandbox. How would Grandy02 go about using it to iron out the kinks in a template? -- Malvineous 08:06, 13 August 2007 (GMT)

He'd/She'd look at the template first. There's a bug in it. Grandy would then find that bug and then put it in the sandbox again. Yet another kink. Grandy would try to sort it out is the sandbox. They finally did it.--Xterra1(talk)(work)(?) 12:15, 13 August 2007 (GMT)

The thing is, unless it's an experienced user who has learned some wikicode, nobody should edit and/or create new templates. That should be so because of (for me, at least) obvious reasons. Besides, as this wiki is powered by the MediaWiki software, is the preview button doesn't work for templates, it's them (the MediaWiki developers) who you should complain to, not us, mere users of the software. --Shadow Master 15:42, 13 August 2007 (GMT)

And the flaw in Xterra's explanation? Templates only work when they're saved in their own article (you can't put template code in a Sandbox, it doesn't work.) You can fiddle with the wikicode using the Preview button (of which I'm beginning to suspect you don't know how it works), so even if we did have a Sandbox you couldn't use it when developing templates (trust me, Grafix and I developed and tested the Infobox templates on this wiki using the Preview button, with a few unavoidable edits, which wouldn't work in a Sandbox anyway since you can't include the Sandbox in the same way as you include templates.) I suggest you learn how the Preview button works, because then you'll realise that anything you can do in a Sandbox can be done by just previewing an edit. -- Malvineous 22:21, 13 August 2007 (GMT)

You are very persistent-True Aussie-But think. A sandbox is cleaned out regularly. That could well be a point,but what do I know? I'm just a dumb American.--Xterra1(talk)(work)(?) 01:42, 14 August 2007 (GMT)

Haha :-) Don't forget that you can't really clean out the sandbox, because all the edit history will still be there on the history tab. At any rate, anyone who needs a sandbox is probably too inexperienced to contribute meaningful information - they can learn on one of the hundreds of other wikis out there and then return when they no longer need a sandbox. -- Malvineous 10:49, 14 August 2007 (GMT)

MediaWiki upgrade

I have at last upgraded the KeenWiki to the latest version of MediaWiki. I have also included some additional JavaScript to force people to use edit summaries, so because it hasn't been extensively tested please let me know if anyone runs into problems. I've also included a basic Captcha when signing up for a new account, to hopefully reduce the number of spam accounts. I'll also be deleting any accounts that look like spam soon, so my apologies if I delete a real person's account :-) -- Malvineous 04:01, 6 October 2007 (GMT)

That forced summary thing. It's kind of annoying on talk pages. Would this be easy to change? (Would you find it desirable to change?) -- CK Guy 21:26, 1 November 2007 (GMT)

That's a fair point. If you can see this message then the summary is now optional on Talk pages. -- Malvineous 01:04, 3 November 2007 (GMT)

Why is there a captcha when a template is added? It gets on my nerves.--Xterra1 14:38, 28 July 2008 (GMT)

Upgraded to MediaWiki 1.13.0. Testing the ConfirmEdit extension will works when adding external links -- Malvineous 07:08, 25 October 2008 (GMT)

Personal images

I want some personal images. Is there a limit to them? I'm asking because I love "LOLcats".--Xterra1 14:45, 28 July 2008 (GMT)

This is a Commander Keen wiki, not MySpace. -- Malvineous 07:08, 25 October 2008 (GMT)